The New York Yankees have been rolling and taking care of business for almost a month now, in that monthly span a 8 game winning streak that ended this past Saturday has propelled them to the top of the Division overtaking their nemesis the Boston Red Sox's. But if you take a close look at what this murderous Yankee lineup has been facing in this recent Yankee run, you will then have to question if all this winning is legit. It would lead you to believe that the Yankees are for real, which I am not questioning here, the team overall talent is plenty, the only thing I am questioning is the everyday pitching the Yankees bats get to swing at. On a regular basis it's not that good, in fact if you ask me it is horrible, and if your a Yankee fan and you simply go by their recent success and expect the same in the post season, then you may be setting yourself up.
The truth to the matter is that there reallu isn't much going on when it comes to the quality of pitching that the Yankees have been facing on a daily basis, and if the quality isn't any good, then look out. Yes the Yankees are stacked with an abundance of high price talent, the best that money can buy. The lineup is no easy task for any pitcher, not even for a guy like Roy Halladay. The Yankee rotation is as solid as they come with Burnett and Sabathia in the front, ad a guy like Mo Rivera in the mix and you have the recipe to beat most teams and make it to the playoffs. Now I'm not saying the Yankees suck or don't deserve to be mention with the best, cause that would just be simply hating, but looking at who they have beaten for the pass month, all I can say is that these guys who are throwing at the Yankees suck.
Sometimes when you are use to winning like the Yankee fans have been use to for over a decade now, and I mean use to winning in the regular season, you forget that the only reason you are winning is simply because you beat up on the way weaker teams in the regular season. You forget that in the last few playoffs appearance that once you get there, reality hits you and you are left pondering on what happened.
If you think I am just a bitter Met fan who is just whining because the Yanks are winning and my Mets are.....well playing like the worst team in baseball, you go ahead and make your own decision, but let's be honest here, I am only trying to call it like I see it, and in most cases, like it is. If you don't believe me I will try to make you believe. I will provide a list of names of all the starters that both the Mets and Yankees have faced in this month just to give you an example.
I understand that this analyst is only a months span, but a month is a month and in this month the New York Yankees have padded themselves right into 1st place. So let's take a look.
YANKEES pitchers faced this month
OAK - Gio Gonzalez - 23yr old reliever with 4 ML starts
OAK - Brett Anderson - rookie
OAK - Vin Mazzaro - rookie
Balt- Jason Berken - rookie
Balt- Rich Hill
Balt- David Hernandez - rookie
DET - Edwin Jackson -
DET - Jason Verlander
DET - Lucas French - rookie
ANA - John Lackey
ANA - Jerrod Weaver
ANA - Joe Saunders
Minn- Francisco Liriano
Minn- Anthony Swarzak - rookie
Minn- Scott Baker
TOR - Ricky Romero - rookie
TOR - Roy Halladay
TOR - Brain Tallet - former reliever turned starter
Sea - Jason Vargas - career loser
Sea - Jarrod Washburn
METS pitchers faced this month
HOUS - Russ Ortiz
HOUS - Mike Hampton
WASH - Craig Stemmons - rookie
WASH - John Lannan
WASH - J.D. Martin - rookie
ATL - Javier Vasquez
ATL - Kenshin Kawakami - rookie
ATL - Jair Jurrgens
ATL - Derek Lowe
CINN - Aaron Harang
CINN - Bronson Arroyo
CINN - Johnny Cueto
LA - Randy Wolf
LA - Hiroki Kuroda
LA - Clayton Kershaw
PHI - Joe Blanton
PHI - Jamie Moyer
PHI - Rodrigo Lopez
PITT - Paul Maholm
MIL - Jovani Gallardo
Now if you know your baseball, not your average I go to the games once in while fan but a fan who truly knows his shit, then you tell me if this is not amazing? how many serviceable starters did the Yankees see this months, and how many serviceable starters did the Mets see this month? I have my answer, now you make yours.
Now as I was watching the Yankees on Saturday as they try to make it 9 in a row, hoping they were looking for another comeback on the hapless Oakland A's who at the time were beating the Yankees 6 to 4 as they entered the 9th, I could not believe that A's manager Bob Geren, would give the ball to a guy named Andrew Bailey who was yet another rookie looking to get the 3 most important outs of the game. Andrews quickly got himself in a 1st and 2nd and no outs situation as I was already picturing the Yankees having another pie in the face festivities, but to my surprise Andrews got out of trouble as Posada would bounce in to a DP and the Yankees streak ended at 8.
Now this is just an example of how bad pitching has become, especially in the AL, we all know that if your a pitcher, you would prefer to pitch in the NL because there is no DH, and 2 because most of those old good power hitters who can no longer do it in the NL because they have to play the field and can no longer do it, so they go to the AL where they ad an extra few more years when in reality if they were playing in the olden days where there was no DH, these guys would be retired.
Because of this most of good pitchers look to move into the NL, they can be more success because the balance is more realistic in the NL. Just look at a guy like Roy Halladay who has pitched his entire career in the AL East with nothing to show for as far as the post season goes, pretty soon he may be heading to a NL team, adding another arm to the NL.
Mets saw 14 serviceable starters.
Yankees saw 8 serviceable starters
roughly!
12 comments:
So what you're saying is that playoff starting pitching is tougher than regular season starting pitching? Wow, way to break new ground on that one.
You're talking about the starters the Yankees have faced but what do you want them to do? Maybe MLB can come up with a new stat called Partial Wins or Quality Wins, that would count less or more respectively in the standings.
The major leagues are full of pitchers who really don't belong there so you can make the very same argument you're making about the Yankees you can make about the Phillies, Dodgers, Angels, Tigers, Cubs and Red Sox.
You say you dont want to sound like a bitter ex fan but thats exactly how you come across. Instead of just saying hey, they're doing what they're suppose to be doing you're just trying to come up with reasons to discount the run the Yankees are on. You are truly King Hater.
As for that list of starting pitchers, are you really impressed with that NL list?
hey I said they are doing what they have to do, i said it a couple of times,
and Yes just by going with what the Mets have faced this month and what the Yankees have faced, it is pretty staggering, how many rookies did u faced this week along? 4 or 5?
and of course i am going to come off like a bitter Met fan cause it to you the Yankees fans I am speaking too, but still is it or its not true? that what you guys have faced this month is bad, no not even bad it was really shitty.
I know the majors is full of crappy pitcher, but the NL does have better pitchers, I also made the fact that even if the NL has better pitching that it is still too watered down, and that in the end it's not much of a diffrence, still the list of names was amazing, and yes compare to what the Mets diet of pitchers has been this month it is rather lopsided.
But of course you wont admit to that, your a Yankee fan, and it will take a Met fan like me to point it out.
Freddy Freddy Freddy. Tsk Tsk. I have much to say but I will limit myself. I can't get over your hating at all. I think you should leave it alone. I guarantee you that if you stop thinking about the Yanks, your quality of life would improve. I just have one thing to say about your pitching list. You call that list in the NL impressive? Who are you kidding? What you forgot to mention along with the quality pitching that the Yankees have been seeing is that a lot of those guys were lefties. Anyone who knows anything about the Yankees knows that the Yanks do not hit left handed hitting all too well. Listen, stop discounting the Yanks and we'll let the Mets discount themselves. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining. It's like you say you are not hating yet hating in the same sentence. The Mets have been mediocre for quite some time.
Well I have to say that things just got a little more exciting around here now that I have two Yankee fans to kick shit at, and I guess you forget that I am a former long time Yankee fan WHO clearly has beef with the Yankee Propaganda Machine. Call me the #1 Yankee hater if you want, and I agree with you that if I would stop watching the Yankees that my quality of life would probably be allot better off, but I am a New York baseball fan, and like I said a former Yankee fan who now roots for the little guy, so with that said, welcome to the forum.
But to try and answers your questions, 1st I didn't say anything about impressive in regards to the NL list of pitchers, if you read between the lines, what I was trying to say was that the list of names just proved that the NL had a much more serviceable list of names. I never said it was a bunch of elites, and if you compare it to what the Yankees have been feasting on, you will start to understand why the Yankees have been having an easy time of late. It was just to keep you guys on even ground, I even said a couple of times that the Yankees have been doing what they have to do, yea I may have jabbed you a few times with the blood flowing remarks along the way, and all that comes with the territory, but it worked because now I got you all involved. I just think that you Yankee fans after reading my banter get way too excited and fail to see the real picture.
Oh and on what you said about Anyone who knows anything about the Yankees and the Lefties, and believe me I know about the Yankees, but do you really expect me to feel.... what's this ? pity?because the Yankees don't do well vs. lefties? PLLLEASE! you guys have a softball stacked lineup that lately has been out in full force, I mean if you guys cant handle the Lucas French, Brain Tallet and the Jason Vargas's of this world, then maybe you don't deserve to be playing in October. Maybe your the one who is worrying too much, me I am just here for amusement.
It sure makes me feel good calling it like it is, cause as a Met fan it's all we have for now.
Freddy, Ray and I saw one of your serviceable pitchers in person last week. Ah, Mike Hampton took one for the team on Wednesday. Nine runs over four innings? Yeah he is serviceable . . . as a tatoo artist.
Mike Hampton, when was the last time he put up a full season, he was an ACE like 5 years ago, he is now serviceable like once a month, but I guess if you compare him to Brain Tallet and Jason Vargas he is going to look serviceable just by name alone.
For Tallet and Vargas, I'll raise you:
Hampton
Ortiz (who isn't even in the majors - released)
Stemmons (who isn't even in the league - nevermind calling him a rookie
Martin - who has a 7.5 ERA in 12 IP - yikes
Kawakami - with his bloated 4.38 era and 5-9 record
Harang - with his fat 4.52 ERA and his magnificent 5-13 record
Arroyo - with his over 5 ERA. The Yankees wouldn't even piss on this guy if he was on fire
Cueto has sucked big donkey balls ALL this year
Wolf - and his under .500 record. How do you pull that off on a team like the dodgers?
Kuroda - 3-5, 4.44 ERA
I'll keep going I guess...
Moyer? - He's like 72 yrs old. I can throw harder than he does and he has fat over 5 ERA. His record is such because Philly can score.
Maholm - real scary with a 6-6 record and 4.75 ERA. I bet there running from this guy.
I mean you throw these names out there like they mean something. The Mets saw, what, three four good pitchers in one month. They suck cock and balls.
Here we go again, again you fail to see the point, The title says Exposing the Yankees, meaning how did the Yankees get to 1st place and won all those game, you saw the list of pitchers I provided as an example, Clearly the list in the NL is still better, now you may have your own opinion on that, you decide.
I remember when you 1st came at me saying something about the list on the NL being an impressive list, which I never claim it to be, I then, trying to make things a bit clearer, said it was a serviceable list, which to me only means, and if you look at the list you will see, that these guys at some point in their careers, some where ACE's, and some are just guys who in sometime in their career where top of the rotation pitchers, most are still top of the rotation guys today, in other words guys who are known, who have done something.
you pick 3 guys from the NL list, and then try to completely disqualify the list when if you look at the list on the AL the only guys that can even match that list is Verlander, Edwin Jackson, J. Weaver, J. Washburn, J. Lackey and of course Halladay, the rest where 7 rookies, 2 reliever turned starters, and guys like Jason Vargas who never even put up a entire season in the Majors.
Like I just said, the Guys in the NL have at least, or at some point in there careers, have either been an ACE, or either have put up several seasons in the major as quality starters, while the guys I provided on the AL list, where a punch of guys who you would need a scorecard to know who they are.
You keep on harping on this, well I keep giving you more to harp on.
Clearly? Clearly? I guess you kissed my entire point. There is no having a conversation with you is there? I just pointed out that it is CLEARLY NOT THE CASE. You just missed the entire point of my post.I picked three guys? I picked 11 pitchers out of your list. I didn't mention the other nine because I'm nice. What's wrong with you Freddy?
I meant "missed" not "kissed"
I know what your trying to say, your saying that guys like Cueto, Harang, Arroyo, Wolf suck, I am saying these guys at least have track records and that the guys in the AL didn't.
You come back and call me out with nothing to back that up but some weird kiss.
Let's move on then, you made your point and I made mines, in the end I guess no one wins here,
All I know is that the Yankees got hot with the right pitchers, and that was my point.
The Yankees got hot and are still hot facing all pitchers. We beat Halladay right? We beat Santana right? Even through the three games they lost to Chicago they still have the best record since the all start break. It doesn't matter who is thrown out there.
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