By Adam Rubin
Scott Boras, who is expected to meet with the Mets before the GM Meetings break up on Wednesday, labeled Matt Holliday a "franchise player" in the lobby of the O'Hare Hilton on Tuesday night and suggested the free-agent outfielder deserved a contract comparable to the eight-year, $180 million deal Mark Teixeira received with the Yankees last offseason.
Boras chastised owners of some teams for pocketing revenue distributed through MLB that the agent labeled at $80 million per club. He accused the owners of financing the purchases of their teams by pocketing that money rather than investing it in players. He also suggested MLB is rolling in cash, even if teams are crying poverty.
The bottom line, Boras insisted, is the onus is on an owner to decide whether he wants to step up and be competitive.
Freddie- See I don't blame owners for pocketing money when the player they are trying to get to make the team better will be making more money then half of the players on the team, especially when the player is not even worth half of what he is looking for. You guys like to blame the owners and yes some owners are cheap, but you also have to invest wisely, as a fan deals like this would tick me off, & I'm not even paying the guy.
For me to pay a guy that kind of money he better be Lebron James.
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Of course Boras is going to say that and ask for that, its his job to do so but that doesn't mean he's going to get it. If some owner is dumb enough to give Holliday that type of contract then they deserve what comes to them. You can't fault the guy for trying to get as much as he can.
It doesn't mean he's going to get what he wants, but he usually does, and you say if some owners are dumb enough to give him that kind of money they get what they deserve, well usually it's the Yankees who shell out that kind of money, but it's ok they can bite that kind of bullet.
I just hate that Boras guy.
God I just hope that Omar is not that deperate to save his job that he goes out & makes this kind of a deal.
You say you hate Boras but let me ask you this, if you were a player wouldnt you want him as your agent? Or I'll do you one better, if you were going in to negotiate a raise at Donegar wouldn't you want Boras in there with you negotiating for you? Hell freakin' yeah because he's going to get you paid. People forget that the agent works for the player not the other way around, he's just really good at what he does. Its like they say, all it takes its 1 guy to give up the cash. Omar would be dumb to go after Holliday.
Sure in the real world I would want Boras to come in and get Doneger to pay my ass, but that’s because I’m getting screwed by Doneger, but that isn’t the way real people in the real world do it, this is baseball were talking about a player who is going to make at least a $100 million to play a game, if I were a player I would do it myself, yea I know I’m a rare bird & I may get jerked by the owner who trying to work me, but then again I may get what I want, and won’t have to give Boras shit. Hey that’s just me, like they say it’s all about the money, for me $100 million dollar, $180 million dollars all the same, just A whole lot of cash, and If I were a baseball player and had that kind of leverage because of my skills I don’t bother with having a guy like Boras busting chops along the way to get his share of my skills, there are still players who do it themselves, sure not many do it that way, the players today are just like the owners, & Boras included is part of the problem, money hungry biatchs.
Cry me a fucking river. You aren't the GM or owner. You should wish that Minaya spent WISELY and plentiful. Stop fucking sobbing and start competing because the Mets have more than the means to do so. Hating on Boras? What a joke. Hating on the players? An even bigger joke. What you don't seem to get is that if the owners couldn't afford to do so, the players would not get these salraies from anyone. Do you think any player is going to make more money than any owner? Imagine that, an employee making more money than his employer. PLEASE!
1st I never said anything about expecting a player to make more money then the Owner, (that is ridicules), and about hating on Boras, I understand his job is to help the player, I just don't like that when selling his players, he is sayings things like (my player is just as good as Derek Jeter), or my player deserves Mark Texiera money, when the real knowledgeable fans clearly see's his bullshit, yes that's what he does to sell his player, I understand what that is all about, & yes it's up to the owners to make the dumb move by signing the player, & like Ray likes to say, (they get what they deserve), call me a knit picker, I'm just one of those fans that dislike the way baseball has changed in a negative way.
Yes teams like that Mets have plenty of money to spend but I don't want my team to be run in the way the NY Yankees runs theirs, you may be ok with that style of running a team but not me, remember in the 80's it wasn't like this, not even in the 90's, for the last 9 years or so it has been ridiculous with these teams spending money on the wrong players, led bigtime by the NY Yankees, throwing money away like it is water, remember Clemens $20 million for a half of season of caca?, and Susan Waldsman trying her best to sell the pitch? CACA!
The Mets have already spent PLENTY of money, heck they are #2 right behind the Yankees, yes they are coming off a huge dissapointment of a season, at the begining of the season did I think the Mets had the players to compete? of course they did, when the season began did you didn't expected them to finish 70-92? at the end of the 2008 season real Met fans knew that we needed help in the bullpen, & and on paper Omar got the job done big time when he got K-ROD & Putz, and he did it at a reasonble price tag, but shit happens, & I don't want to go all crazy just because of what happened to us this past season, Did I as a fan expected all these injuries to happen? is this Omar's fault? you may say so, but this crop of FA's is not that good, and I would not want to get a over paid player on my team that in the future is going to put a stranglehold with the way my team is to move forward, more then often it is the owner and the team that is hurt by this kind of a deal.
It's more like this, yes I would like to have a player like Matt Holliday, I wouldn't mind seeing him in LF for the Mets in 2010, but because he has that price tag, as a fan it just urks me that my teams has to over pay for this bum because of the Yankees who over pay for their players because they don't care if they do, and I don't like guys like boras who are hiking up the price tag, everyone is bad, especially the owners, it just wasn't like this in my day & I am not that old, I don't like it so let me bitch about it, cry me a river!
I don't think anyone will disagree wi you on the whole Boras thing but it is what it is.
"I don't want my team to be run in the way the NY Yankees runs theirs" I almost fell of my chair laughing when I read that, I'm glad that you were able to throw in that small detail that the Mets own the 2nd largest payroll in MLB.
I'm just hoping that the Yankees don't do anything stupid now so they can go balls out next year when the free agent crop will be much better.
Man If I were still a Yankee fan I worry that they go out & over pay for players they don't really need, why can't the Yankees see that in this lineup all they have to do it let a player like Brett Gardner who brings good defense and tremendous speed just be, I'm not saying go with Gardner in LF, but do the Yankees really have to go out & overpay for a LF? Like you said next years crop is so much better, but if I were still a Yankee fan, I worry that this does happens, like I said b4, in the last 9 years or so this is the way the Yankees have been doing things, maybe there is a change this time around, but you just know that the NY Yankees will mostly be getting 1 of those guys.
Who's saying that they are? I dont think they will but you're basically saying that they're going to go out and overspend on Bay or Holliday. I dont see it happening. I'm sure they know that next year's crop of free agents is head and shoulders above this year's. Lets just see how everything plays out. Thats the fun thing about hot-stove you get to debate all these scenarios.
Damn, I hate the Yanks and the way they run their day to day operations. I really hate it when they make the playoffs every year. What really tickles my fun bags is when they win the WS. OHH, that gets under my skin. I mean it really pisses me off. They set out with the goal of winning the World Series and then they go and do it. Those guys have real balls doing what they do. Jerks.
Also, I hate what baseball has become. You know popular and stuff. I mean their increase in revenue in the last 11 years is just ridiculous. Sharing money with all the teams by other teams going over the cap - that's just terrible. I'm so glad that owners are pocketing that money and not sharing it with the club. Thank goodness some owners want their clubs to succeed by not giving that money to their players. Thank you small market teams for doing something different. Thank you faithfully departed Twins owner for being four times as rich as Steinbrenner and really using that wallet of yours on your team. Thank you Carl. Thank You.
Also, Bay is overrated. That monster is his friend and he would be best served staying in Boston but more impotantly the Sux can't bare to lose him. He's going to get paid.
Holliday is an NL raker. Period. Good hitters get it done no matter what. He was simply awful by his past standards in Oak. Awful. If you can't see that, you are blind or you just want to argue.
Yup gotta love those Yankees for the way they go out and try to buy titles, you got a WS this year, but you can't buy a title every year no matter how much more money you spend over the next competitor. Enjoy it, I'm so surprise they actually won it all considering they have been trying so hard for the last 9 years and all they have is this WS to show for and a whole lota disappointment along the way. What a ride and waste of money. Every organization should learn from them how it is suppose to be done.
Put Holliday on the Yankees & he will show you he can produce just like Johnny Damon, put him on the A's and he will struggle, apples and oranges.
Every team spends money to win, thats how it is so spare me the whole "buying" a championship thing. As for Holliday, I saw that guy a lot when he was playing in Oakland and he looked lost, yeah sticking him in the middle of the Yankee line up will help mask some of it but the guy is better off in AAAA.
Yup gotta love those Yankees for the way they go out and try to buy titles, you got a WS this year, but you can't buy a title every year no matter how much more money you spend over the next competitor. Enjoy it, I'm so surprise they actually won it all considering they have been trying so hard for the last 9 years and all they have is this WS to show for and a whole lota disappointment along the way. What a ride and waste of money. Every organization should learn from them how it is suppose to be done.
Wow, where did that comment come from? You were just complimenting them whole heartedly less than a week a go for getting the job done and now they are buying it? I can't even call you a fair-weathered asshole. I can not invite you back over here. You are not welcome. You are as dumb as some NFL players who celebrate while making a good play and forgetting that they are down 41-0. Real nice. Buying championships. Hee Hee. Gotta love that we put players in the best environment to succeed intead of putting them in a ballpark that babe ruth would be in awe about. Freddy. stop while your way behind. Way behind. Buying championships is the argument for the people who wish their GM did the same with as much.
I heard you found a way to argue against the merchandising front. Real nice of you to ignore such a small factor. I'm sure that money has nothing to do with nothing.
If the Mets don't win it's because of injuries. If the Phils don't win it's because the Yanks have a softball lineup. The Phils softball lineup isn't as good. Excuses after fucking pathetic excuses. Why don't you just cave to the truth.
Spare you the whole buying a championship theory? only Yankees fans want to believe that, get over yourself's, the Yankees bought a championship this year, how can you not see that? they spent almost half a billion to get it, what team does that?
nuff said!
As for Holliday being better off in the AAA, speak for yourself, I'm sure Holliday is thinking hey I'm better off playing in some crappy team in the NL or some team like Texas in the AL, when I can be playing for the NY Yankees, making more money then I can get, and playing in a lineup that will make things easier as far as him performing & producing.
Oh Danny, Yea I gave credit where credit is due, they won and you congraulate them for winning, does that mean I now have to come over to your side? Nigga Please, you seem to forget that I left your side, and don't forget that I am #1 Yankee hater, you make it sound like I'm the only one who says that about your NY Yankees, many TV and radio host have made that same comment about the Yankees buying titles, but you being a Yankee fan will never see it that way in a million years. Guys It is what it is.
Only a Yankee fan not see that the Mets didn't have a chance this year, I suppose that if it were the Yankees that this had happened too that they would had still found a way to win it because they would have gone balls deep getting every possible player imaginable making stupid moves trading away their youth just to save a lost season just to show their fans that HEY money is not an issue here, we don't care, WERE GOING TO BUY A TITLE! Sure you can lose all those guys and still win.
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You haven't said anything.
You call Texas crappy? You know so much.
Ah, so the TV and Radio hosts are the guys you listen to huh. Can't form your own opinion? I get it.
You have the regular news on and then you turn on Pinhead and Hannity to tell you how to feel about the news. I'm on to you.
The Mets didin't have a chance as soon as it was hit by a bus this yr. Otherwise they had a a chance like everyone else. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and go out and get some character players. You can keep the nigga comments to yourself wigga.
Yeah, losing all those people the last eight yrs proved that we can go out and buy that championship. We learned after winning eight straight WS that buying is the way to go. Moron.
ok time to end this, it has reached the point where it is not worth debating.
It's always worth seeing you hide in the hole
yea I know u get such a kick out of that.
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