Tuesday, February 23, 2016

From a negative to a positive

On a recent post I touched on how my NY Mets have turned things around when it comes to their team perception around the league. Players leaving money on the table to come play for the Mets would never had happen just a year ago, but the culture has changed and these are not you're same old Mets.

Led by the best young staff in the majors, the Mets have found themselves on the right path. These days the mood is good, from the players to the fans to the people who run the ship, to the fan friendly approach around Citifield. But it was not that long ago that there was a cloud of negativity that was always around the Mets.

Yes the Mets have turned things around, from a negative to a positive and it had me thinking...it had me thinking about the 90's Yankee and how they too turned things around and went on to carve a new piece of history after their turnaround.

Now here me out, I'm not trying to compare that Yankees team that eventually went on to have a dynasty with these current Mets, I'm just making an observation that seems similar to me.

So lets go back to 1990.

In 1990 the NY Yankees and owner George Steinbrenner were force to do things differently when MLB jumped in and suspended the Boss for his Dave Winfield shenanigans. For the next 3 years the Boss was out of the way from making baseball decisions and in his place came Gene Michael's to help run the ship until Steinbrenner served his time.

This was a time back when the Yankees were trying to find themselves, they had not made the playoffs since 1981 and had not won a WS since back to back 77 and 78, these were the Dallas Green, Stump Merrill Yankees, the Jesse Barfield and Mel Hall days. Yea you get the picture, these were some bad Yankee teams that threw money at the problem and didn't really believe in their farm system. These were the days of trading the few young players they had for older players, trades like Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps.

It was the George Steinbrenner way and during the 70's it worked but when the 80's came along it didn't. Then came the 90's and the Yankees were still trying to get back to the good old days.

But now the Boss was out of the way and the Yankees had a different direction and after a few years you started to here about a few cats down in the system who were not to far away. By the end of 1993 the BOSS was back from serving his suspension just in time to reap the benefits of his time removed from the game.

Benefits like Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettite and Derek Jeter, all whom came in and debuted in 1995 as the Core 4 was born. For the next 2 decades the NY Yankees had it real good, they had built the beginnings of a dynasty and had ended a 18 year drought of not making the playoffs.

By 2000 the Yankees had won 4 WS titles and the money was flowing in like running water as the NY Yankee brand had peaked. They had written a new chapter to their glorious franchise but as the years went by Steinbrenner began to lose reality with what had gotten him all this success and instead of continuing the blueprint of building from within the Boss went back to his old ways.

What George Steinbrenner did was to throw money around the 4 core in order to maintain and it worked as the Yankees continued to make the playoffs every year. It was really hard to argue with this formula because ultimately the Yankees had won a total of 5 WS titles and had not missed the playoffs for 14 consecutive seasons.

But as the years went by this formula became stale and the core eventually got older as 1 by 1 they all retired leaving the Yankees with a roster full of questions marks and a payroll full of bad contracts.

It was a great run and every team would had probably done the same thing but all good things come to an end.

Now let me bring in the Mets and let me try and make the similarities here, lets start with the Omar Minaya's Mets, just like the Yankees these Mets were big spenders and were usually around the top 5 teams in the majors when it came to their payroll, to me these Mets were trying to emulate the Yankees success and formula by spending big bucks on free-agents.

But the Mets won no titles and instead suffered consecutive collapses following their 2006 playoffs run, after that came the whole Bernie Madoff mess and this is the Mets version to George Steinbrenner suspension.

Now the Mets had no real money to spend and now they were force to do things differently just as it had happened to the Yankees in the early 90's.

Things got real bad for the Mets that eventually Omar was let go and in came Sandy Alderson to help run things in a more cheaper and conservative way, to me, he was the Mets version of Gene Michaels.

Now it was the Mets who had to do the same as the Yanks of those early 90's and build from within in order to get thing back in order. Years went by 2010, 2011, 2012 and by 2013 you began to see some real players come up and I began to get excited about the Mets again.

So this is where the similarities end, and so this is where we are at today, the Mets have build this super rotation and the Yanks are trying to get younger.

For the Mets it's up to them to live up to the expectations, now these are the Mets so I don't expect them to have a run like the Yankees had, plus MLB has changed so much in the last 10 years that having a dynasty has become even harder, but if the Mets can win 1 WS and end their 30 years drought, it will do for me.

As for the Yankees, we are now seeing an efforts being made by them to build from within and for the 1st time in I don't know how long, they did not spend a single dime on free agents. Many true hardcore Yankees fans have been waiting for this, but will the Yankees really stay on this path?

We will have to wait and see what happens after the 2016 season, so far it has been 2 years of cutting payroll and only time will tell if this is for real, because in 2016 money will be freed to spend again.

For now it's the Mets time to live up to the hype and for the Yankees to get younger.

Time for some feedback Ray.


7 comments:

RN said...

Interesting comparison. For the 90s Yankees it was the perfect storm, it was George getting banished and Stick Michael taking over the team, striking gold with Jeter, Mo, Posada and Pettite and some very shrewd moves like getting Paul O'Neil, Tino and Brosius. It was pretty amazing the run they went on, making the playoffs 14 of 15 years and winning 5 World Series trophies and 7 AL pennants. As a fan that lived through the Stump Merrill days, believe me I have not taken 1 second of that run for granted. One thing that I think you fail to realize is how impressive what the Yankees are doing is, rebuilding and getting younger on the fly while still competing. Its very rare in any sport to see that because when teams usually go on a rebuilding phase you're going to be in for a few losing seasons. So seeing this transition from Alex, Tex, Beltran, Mo & Jeter to Didi, Castro, Severino, Pineda, Eovaldi, Betances, Bird, Judge and have the Yankees still be competitive is impressive.

As for the Mets, you have to tip your cap to them. That starting pitching is second to none and they seem to have (at least on paper) a good collection of players to complement them. I'm curious to see how they come out this year, now that they'll have a big target on their back.

freddie vargas said...

Well I did mentioned how I was surprised by the no moves by the Yankees when it comes to free agency this year, I would had bet the house that a move was going to be made but it never happened and I think it's the 1st time in like 20 years or what not that a single dime was not spent on free agents.

The Yankees have remained competitive during this so-called rebuilding mode because it's not like there are 100% rebuilding. They still have AROD, Tex, McCann, Beltran, you know guys who they are paying top dollars too help them win games, but I get what your saying, still with the AL East not being as strong as in the pass they can still win while running what they have on the field because were not talking about bums here.

I really think the Yankees are just waiting for 2016 when all this money comes off the books and then they can go all out and sign guys again. It just didn't made any sense for them to sign more players this year because there weren't any vacancies to fill out, all there positions were pretty much set.

To me the Mets are the team to beat, I really love this team from top to bottom, from the manager to the GM, the team is well put together IMO. Seems to me like everyone is on the same page when it comes to the Mets so I'm excited for what they can do in 2016.

RN said...

Well, like I told you since October don't look for the Yankees to make any moves in the free agent market and they didn't. "So called"? How can that possibly labeled a so called rebuilding? Not saying that the Yankees are running bums out there but when teams go into a rebuild mode you know that they're going to suck for a while, just look at the Mets.
Yeah, the Yankees are going to play this smart. Have Beltran and Tex come off the books this year, Alex and CC next year and then you hope that a couple of these kids are really developing into solid every day players and then you go out and sign a difference maker like a Bryce Harper to be that final piece or maybe we'll just go and take one of the Mets pitchers because everyone knows there is no way the Mets will be able to afford to keep them all. It took a while but the Yankees finally learned from their past mistakes.

The Mets are the defending NL champs so they should be the team to beat and in that division they should be able to pad the win totals fairly easily.

RN said...

And right on cue:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/mccarron-payday-coming-met-arms-article-1.2553739

freddie vargas said...

I remember you telling me back in October about the Yanks not singing free agents but I think even you didn't believe it.

Yea I guess you can say the Yankees are rebuilding but because they haven't hit rock bottom it is why I call it a so-called rebuild, it's like they are on both sides of rebuilding and waiting to spend.

Saw the article, saw deGrom decline his salary increase yesterday, it's going to get real sticky for the Mets, no way they keep all those guys, it's kind of why I don't see the Mets having some sort of a dynasty run. Also baseball has changed to the point where dynasties are going to be a thing of the past.

RN said...

I didn't have any reason not to believe it, I follow this team pretty closely and everything I heard or read said that this was the direction they were going.

See, now you're seeing my point about what they're doing and how rare it is, they're not hitting rock bottom and are rebuilding while remaining competitive. Its a rare feat.

Yeah, thats another thing that I've been saying for a while now and now you're coming around to it...there is a ton of money in baseball so you won't see these dynasty teams anymore. Teams are spending more on their players so you're not seeing as many big names hit the free agent market and when big free agents do you're seeing teams that usually don't spend big are not spending big. Its a whole new world out there.

freddie vargas said...

Well I follow the Yanks closely as well, albeit for different reasons, but still what they did this off season they haven't done in decades, but they did it and what they are doing by staying on both sides of the fence and still be able to compete is a feat. Again a lot of that has to do with the Yankees and their aging players who are still able to perform and keep them competitive. like I said it's not like the Yankees are running bums out there.

Plus baseball has more parity today, more balance, no dynasties types teams.

Yea this is not the same baseball of the 90's or early 2000's where only a few teams got all the good free agents, everybody knows that, for the last decade things have changed.

The Mets are going to have to make some tough decisions on who they keep and who they let go with these pitchers.