FV- So here is a interesting article I found while searching the bloggers hemisphere this past weekend, this one from one of my favorite blogs
(It's all about the Money Stupid) a Yankee blog that keeps it real
Bad ideas and ludicrous statements (aka: Why people hate NYY fans)March 18, 2010 by Jason@IIATMS
Background: I like Mike Silva. I had the chance to meet and chat with him at the Bloomberg event a few weeks back. I’m not against my fellow members of the Yankosphere for taking controversial stances or putting forth creative/new/wacky ideas. But we have to expect to be called out on them, when appropriate.
That said, Mike posted a doozy today, one that had my head spinning. Let’s start here:
The Twins could get a king’s ransom from the Yankees for Mauer. Think Hughes, Joba, and Montero as cornerstones of the package. If they are concerned about development timeline of Montero, then perhaps you could add Posada to the deal since he only has a year left on his contract. If the Red Sox come calling then the package could get even better.
Let’s ponder that for a moment. Hughes, Joba AND Montero, and that’s just the opening offer?!?!?! I’m speechless On what planet would Cashman ever do this? He balked dealing Hughes, IPK, Melky and whoknowswhoelse for Johan Santana, and you know Cash’s love of ace starting pitching. Why? Well, one reason was the “double dip cost”; huge hit to the farm system AND a huge financial committment. Well, the difference between then and now is that Hughes and Joba are integral parts of the major league club, no longer prospects. They are expected to contribute in significant ways, again. And Montero is merely the best catching prospect in the game today at the precocious age of 20. There’s room for him to grow, physically, mentally, emotionally and skill-wise behind the dish. The long term “value” for those three, given their costs, is astronomical.
Oh yeah, throw in Posada and his final year as a toss-in. Never mind that his own Yankee legacy, though not Jeterrific, is pretty damn impressive.
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.RAB’s Joe Pawlikowski wrote the article I had been wanting to write but never got around to completing. Well, he wrote it better than I probably would have, but nonetheless, he’s spot on:
If Mauer does hit the free agent market, though, I don’t expect the Yankees to outbid the Red Sox for him. They’ll make a play, of course, but I don’t expect them to use their resources that way. Yes, Mauer is one of the most valuable players in the game, but the Yankees have spent the past three or so years filing their farm system with catchers. After all that, why go and use an enormous portion of your resources to sign one in free agency?
As it stands, the Yankees have $144 million locked into the 2011 payroll before they work out contracts for Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera. They’ll also have arbitration cases for Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes. In other words, they could be near $185 million for just 13 players — and that doesn’t include Javy Vazquez or Andy Pettitte. At that point they’d probably need at least one starting pitcher. Other needs could crop up during the season, including left field.
Yet at catcher the Yankees would have Jorge Posada under contract for one more season. They’d also have Jesus Montero with a year of AAA under his belt, and Austin Romine with a season of AA — and possibly with some AAA experience. Below them they feature a number of low-level catchers, too, including J.R. Murphy and Gary Sanchez. Signing Mauer to a six- or seven-year deal would render these developing players essentially useless to the organization. Wouldn’t that render a waste the past few years of focus on catcher?
What more is there to say? The Yanks DO have a budget, albeit worlds higher than every other team, but there is a ceiling. Allocating a significant percentage of their available resources to sign someone when they have been focused on developing high level talent themselves is a foolish decision. Joe did a great job of capturing this logic and I offer him my thanks for doing so.
The NY Daily News’ Bill Maddon threw more gas on this fire yesterday:
Unlike most other teams, however, the Yankees have both the financial resources to afford the MVP catcher as well as the surplus of talent it would take to acquire him should the contract talks reach an impasse and the Twins elect to put him on the trade market. Indeed, if there is one area where the Yankees are rich in prospects it is catching where Jesus Montero and Austin Romine are rated by most scouts as can’t-miss major leaguers. The question is, which of them – if either – will be the one to succeed Jorge Posada.
A bunch of scouts were discussing just that Tuesday night before the Yankees’ game with the Houston Astros at George M. Steinbrenner Field. Their consensus was that the 20-year-old Montero’s bat alone will likely get him to the big leagues by next season, but in the long run the 21-year-old Romine has the complete package – bat, arm, mechanics, makeup – to be a top quality all-around catcher – for someone.
“But in my opinion,” said one scout, “the next catcher for the Yankees will be Joe Mauer. Imagine if the Twins don’t sign him and he goes out there on the market next winter with both the Yankees and Red Sox in need of a catcher? That will be the wildest bidding war in baseball history, and don’t think his agent doesn’t know it. And if they (Twins) decide to trade him, the Yankees have the better pieces to get him.“
“Said one scout”. Not to be mean or bitter, but there’s a reason why he’s a scout and not a GM. The Yanks DO NOT need a catcher. They have Posada, for better or worse, for two more years and as we already mentioned, a solid pipeline of catching talent on the come, lead by Montero. Not to mention, there’s that little issue of money. It’s always about the money.
Now, back to NYBD’s Mike Silva and the line that had my skin crawling:
Mauer deserves the big stage of New York.
Holy crap. That’s the last thing this guy deserves. He deserves to remain in his backyard, with family and friends and being the face of a very good, talented and competitive Twins franchise for the next decade a half. Why does Silva think that Mauer deserves New York? Because it’s bigger, more crowded, can afford to pay him more? It’s a dangerous word, deserve.
“Deserves”. This one word gets Yankee fans in so much trouble. It implies a God-given right. We tend to think that we, the Yankees, deserve the best players because we’re New York, because we have the most money to spend, because we’ve won 27 World Series titles, etc… We don’t deserve anything more than what we go out and earn. Wins, respect, whatever. Joe Mauer doesn’t “deserve” New York anymore than New York “deserves” Joe Mauer. This is exactly the sort of sentiment that gives Yankee fans the reputation they have (well, along with the cast of Jersey Shore and guys like this, to the right).
You know who deserves Joe Mauer? The fine people of Minnesota.
FV- If you want to read the actual article with the picture of the obnoxious Yankee fan, copy & paste below.
http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2010/03/18/bad-ideas-and-ludicrous-statements-aka-why-people-hate-nyy-fans/
Saturday, March 20, 2010
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15 comments:
Uhh, ok. What exactly is the point of this post?
This whole discussion is moot now; Twins sign Mauer to an 8 year/ 184 mil. contract extension, including a no trade clause. Good for Mauer, the Twins and baseball.
Now, lets please move onto some REAL topics of discussion.
Wow when did that happen?
I just posted that because we were talking about Mauer last week & thought it would be some good read to follow up.
Oh well I guess I'm just late to the party.
Good for the Twins.
I just now read this at 1:25am Wed morning. Man Freddy you have THE worst timing ever. You try to shit on the Yanks through someone else's opinion. What a misfire. Not only do you severely diminished credibility skills but you hapen to pick an article talking about a trade that WFAN was discussing two weeks BEFORE this article was written. How do I know? Because I remember the absurd reaction I had when my bro told me this.
You need a better blog to read. You almost inspire me to get in the business.
Congrats Mets. "We believe..." in fairy tales. Nice slogan.
Big deal, more points for you Danny.
I believe we all have real jobs, & that is why you too, is late for the party.
Is late for the party? What do you speak of Lloyd Christmas? Or is your name Harry Dunne?
"Your name IS Harry isn't it?"
Harry? are you high?
Really? You're not familiar with Dumb and dumber? How old ARE you?
"Harry... your hands are freezing!"
Nah man I don't really watch movies, very selective, if any, I prefer documentaries.
But now that you mention it, I do remember that dumb & dumber movie with Jim Carey, I remember Ray was always hyping it up back then for me to watch it.
Ahhh...Dumb and Dumber. I love that movie.
Ray I remember seeing that movie when I went out to see you out at Northeastern, I think I went for a weekend to hang with you, was it Northeastern?
seems like 20 years ago
Not quite that long ago, it was 13 years ago. How old do you think I am man? Here are 3 very good documentaries for you to check out:
1. Bigger, Stronger, Faster
2. Food, Inc.
3. Jesus Camp
I think you would enjoy all 3.
wow to me it seems longer, I will check out those DOCS.
Thanks.
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